Great investigative article. In 2016, Fremont Presbyterian Church in Sacramento, California, discovered this the hard way. . They license a program, and theyre really more of a multi-level marketing organization.. Every meaningful conversation has to start somewhere. She had hired a homeschool girl to serve and clean up, while this ladys daughter was at her expensive private school. Good and bad. Also, there is confusion about tax issues. How does Classical Conversations comply with tax and property tax laws? ***** Calculation Discussion ***** Plus, more than 2,000 former CC contractors have organized a private Facebook group to raise awareness of CC policies they allege are abusive and ethically dubious. "You will not certainly die." Distort: Here's the real truth. Those who want to defend CC dont often address the specific problems or criticisms presented; they more often point to the results that they perceive from CCs model, curriculum, educational outcomes for students, etc. I. I have slightly edited it for length, but it may help you understand the amount of $ floating through this company: It has been placed on my heart lately to really examine the income that is being generated in our churches. I am very thankful for my CC community. She said that income a church receives unrelated to its tax-exempt purposeseven from a nonprofitcould cause issues. Topp said two months later, CC COO Keith Denton called and recommended Topp license the book exclusively to CC. Did you have a useful thought about the exploitation of CC workers? According to Veale, SRs and ARs have to make bonuses to earn a decent wagebut CC sets bonuses just out of reach. The growth I see in my own kids and the students around them speak for themselves, and the relationships forged are absolutely priceless. The first three videos are designed to help you understand more about our classical model of education. Palmer was expected to sign a tutors contract, which included a confidentiality agreement, a standard process for all who work with the curriculum provider. But different states have different approaches to this., The CC chapter that met at Calvary Chapel Fremont also incorporated as a nonprofit in 2018. The relationship of church and state is surely complex, as theologians over centuries have stated. Period. In one unconstitutional swoop 501(c)(3) allows the government to define religious practice and limit free speech, it is a masterful scam by the State to control people of faith. I am thankful for the encouragement, the mentorship, the accountability, and the curriculum support. Among the countless benefits of homeschooling is flexible scheduling. I also have no regrets in those 9 years with CC either. Soon, CC leaders urged her to lead state operations as an AR for Arizona. However, Palmer never signed a contract, and she still became a paid CC tutor for one year. Would the average church member be pleased to hear their building (which presumably they helped finance) was used as part of a whole to make a corporations tens of millions? CC director Annie Ferguson of Niceville, Florida, added that avoiding tax issues was a main reason that the churches, which have hosted her CC chapter, have not charged her rent. Even directors who like the program admit to making little money. Im putting in all these hours away from my family at meetings, and not getting anything out of it, Bothur said in a phone interview. of parents reported their teen's Christian faith was strong. With this, they pull in millions in fees, CCC subscriptions, and book sales. (We) worked with them and got that issue resolved. Based on reported enrollment of over 120,000 students in U.S. programs and detailed data provided by former CC contractors, annual revenues are estimated at between $15 million and $40 million. . If they lose this exemption, it will be very expensive for them to pay property tax.. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! They market themselves as a Christian company, said Bothur. She says the only way to find it was to download an 81-page PDF document and then click on a link embedded on page 54. The knowledge that my hard work in laboring to direct and tutor is not lining Robert Bortins pocket book is just an icing on the cake. Posted by Brian Tonnell on When Bortins granted a brief interview last fall, I challenged him about his no fines claim. If they have to be for-profit, and flexibly non-profit, in order to best support this subversive act more power to em). Monday - Friday: 8:30 am - 5:00 pm. I am a conservative and I love homeschooling. . So lets talk about it. However, the county assessors office still challenged whether the CC groups use of the church was valid since the county did not consider educational usage as worship. Thats worth fighting over with the county assessor, because it is so laden with worldview assumptions that are contrary to our own faith. We believe education is best experienced together, and thats why community is the bedrock of our homeschool model. Next year, he will again tutor Challenge IV. The final straw for Veale was seeing a woman she had recruited be mistreated by higher-ups. Thats entirely understandable and within their rights as US citizens. That directing job opened my eyes to the lack of true support within the CC structure. Yet other former directors say they stayed so long with CC because they felt their faith demanded it. Despite this, CC continues to grow. The SRs I trained were out there busting their tails, growing the CC network, doing everything they can to resource these homeschooling moms, she said in a phone interview. We have abandoned our biblical foundations by disputing, denying, distorting, and finally discarding Gods principles. How can CC be knowingly misrepresenting truth when they have this on their website, accessible through a one easy google query. Im thankful for the support, accountability, and friendship they offer. She said CC representatives accused them of being outside the will of the Lord, which spread and caused even her kids to lose friendships. To keep tuition down, CC needs cheap labor (Directors and tutors). Though property tax exemptions vary and are determined by state and sometimes county laws, she said assessors generally frown on a for-profit business, like CC and its communities, benefiting from use of tax-exempt property. This cease-and-desist episode launched Palmer into an in-depth examination of Classical Conversations and its business model. I asked: Are you now theologians to tell the church what is and what is not worship? Do we want to see CFA in a church? Churches assume they will get the full exemption, but its dependent on how the property is used, Sacramento County Chief Appraiser Jill Dolce said in a phone interview. // Apparently to mitigate liabilities, chapters *can* and have been at times converted to non-profit chapters to avoid the tax risk why is that not a viable solution? (Ephesians 6:4). After the 19-20 school year, I made up my mind to be done with CC unless the year was beautiful educationally because of CC. Im the CPA mentioned in the article. Ive got lots to say about the bad but not today. I think I know you. Or is it just CC Because I mean how biased would it be to just go after CC groups? Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Over the years, he moved up with his eldest son, tutoring Challenge B, Challenge I, Challenge II, Challenge III, and Challenge IV. Then CC came to my area. Ive never been under any illusion that Id make money by serving in my community. When averaged, the directors collected about $20,000 in tuition and fees during a school year. Can we reverse this trend? In a statement to The Roys Report, CC said: Classical Conversations has supported more than 37,500 Licensed Directors over the past 22+ years. The idea that there is a Truth higher than our own, that man is, Do our founding documents really acknowledge a right to life, the free exercise of religion, the right to pursue happiness, the freedom of speech? CC is the Bortins family business and they dont want to offer control to a non-profit board. We equip homeschool parents with the confidence to raise bright, observant students who have a lifelong love of learning. They have been weel trained for such critical thinking. The Classical Conversations Curriculum is not a Christian curriculum. Truth is required to inculcate wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. Then determined to leave, she also set out to inform local congregations that they may be at risk. Yet she made, on average, only $5K annually working 30 hours per week. My decision to leave was mostly due to CC no longer offering what my children needed educationally. God knows that when you eat from it you will be like God, knowing good and evil. And the final result? Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Because most local CC programs are for-profit businesses, using a churchs tax-exempt building and assets can jeopardize the property tax exemption granted to that church. 2) Other commenters make it clear that they have been profiting in someway from the institution and they are mad that anything negative is being reported about it. Maybe the girl was well-paid. These local groups pay reduced or even no rental fees to churches by emphasizing the ministry aspects of their education work. Some did, but the reality is the majority of Directors are already consumed to the Max with child rearing responsibilities and rarely peruse the corporate webpage looking forward information that should have been broadcast widely. Her third year was horrible. The encouragement and support from other parents is vital. They have two children (Andrew 22, Jonathan 16) and have homeschooled these two from day one. All Im doing is advertising for somebody elses program.. 2. They have the right to run the business as they see fit. Starting in fall 2013, Kristi Bothur, a mother of two children who earned a masters degree in curriculum, spent six years working with a CC chapter in Columbia, South Carolina. Unfortunately, yes. Everything in this house of cards depends on the in-person programs succeeding. Give a gift of any amount to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive In the House of Friends: Understanding and Healing from Spiritual Abuse in Christian Churches by Kenneth Garrett. I am a grandmother homeschooling my 9-year-old granddaughter who has been through a lot of trauma with both parents. Do we really want to see churches used this way and argue it is their right to have businesses generating millions and millions of dollars in their walls and all the missions align? I have to admit, I heard this question a couple times when I first decided to homeschool, but most people I come across dont ask it anymore. Classical Conversations Classical Acts & Facts Science Cards Scientists & Anatom . One commenter on here who is defending CC insinuates that those critical of CC were let go or kicked out. Hopefully there will be some accountability soon. We have fallen back on our own founding documents as the yardstick by which to measure right and wrong. In reporting a survey last year of CC directors, Bortins said that the number one issue reported by directors was the business training aspects of CC programs. They are the family who can truly understand my daily struggles as a homeschooling mom. I do believe a more accurate representation is 3 children per family in Foundations, 1.5 children per family in Essentials and 2 children per family in Challenge. If I told a local Churches on facebook, for instance, that they risk being held liable for property taxes when hosting CC, when in fact I didnt understand the reach of my communication or the fact that tax laws are different in County X and County Y though they happen to share a border in my local vicinitycounties (for instance) should I be held liable for misinformation that potentially harms CC because I dont know the tax laws for each county and dont know that in County Y its totally fine? Classical Conversations, Inc. (CC) bills itself as a leading faith-based homeschool education company that enables homeschooling parents, upon being contracted as local CC directors, to make extra income while providing an important local ministry. It was impossible to guess the data size, so to be conservative and for ease, I used the numbers for the rest of the country. Multi-level marketing strategies are not inherently unlawful or unethical. And when North Carolinas Love Wins Ministries is distributing food to the homeless in a public park, they should be forced to cease and desist or face jail time. The CC cost for parents has four parts: tuition, registration, supplies, and facility. Through multiple contacts in the CC network, Veale later learned Arizona support reps were the poorest paid in the country. Only then, the masters graduate was embarrassed to admit, did she sit down to carefully read and research CC contracts. The Department of Justice can distribute an internal memo directing employees to verbally acknowledge homosexuality as a valid lifestyle, because silence on the matter will be interpreted as disapproval 2. This is critical for the two responses I see over and over again here regardless of who the story targets and what the issues are or what particular individuals have claimed to been taken advantage of: 1) Some commenters sound like Jesus. Yes the material is garbage, but I transferred to a director who knew how to run the campus at least even with the learning material being what it was. Find A Community View Programs Watch Video Watch Video $335 Tuition (split between tutor and director) CCs business model hinges on local groups, which resemble a typical homeschool co-op. Surely we would never fall into that trap! CC really should be investigated by various states (and maybe the Feds) for this. The preferential treatment allotted to some families is damaging to the rest of the class and community. All rights reserved. The Bortins family has always valued following Gods guidance in teaching other families how to train up their children in the way that they should go.. Since it was written, I have had several people criticize me and try to damage my reputation. . I am sure these same people will be reporting you for not wearing a mask. . When you hear the word rhetoric, what do you think of? About 24,500 Challenge students. Perhaps our founding documents? Even the casual observer will recognize that our culture is losingmore likely, has lostits basis for Truth. Licensees are encouraged to work with local professionals for their business needs., Based in Southern Pines, North Carolina, Classical Conversations, Inc. has been touted as the Walmart of education and, on its own website, the nations leader in classical, Christian teaching of children.. From its origins in 1997 with 11 teenage boys in the basement of Leigh Bortins Winston-Salem home to now filling over 125,000 student seats enrolled in its programs, Classical Conversations always was and always will be about family the Bortins family following Gods guidance in teaching other families how to train up [their children] in the way that [they] should do.. Now Im much more selective about how much I let outsiders interfere in our school day. $60 Supply Fee (used to pay for supplies, but I have been informed it is income to the director). Last year we struggled to find those routines - again, and then settled into . Or you may just view them as having more opportunities to earn some hard cash. . . Thinking about it all has led me to believe it is important to take a hard look at the commercial activity and the value of that commerce being done in our churches. CC has other ways of making money via the registration fees, licensing fees, the proprietary curricula, etc. you will be like God, knowing good and evil." And the final result? The government, Almost 11 weeks into tax season, the U.S. Internal Revenue Service continues to experience delays in processing last years tax returns. Bortins did not explain what these training aspects were, but he quickly dismissed concerns raised by whistleblowers, stating: Some moms . The companys 2020 Licensing Guide for CC directors includes over a dozen references to churches hosting CC groups including specific expectations about contracts, fees, and insurance. The recipe is tried, tested, and successful. It gave me perspective. Is this what God has in mind for his church? I was no longer spending energy trying to find a curriculum and support group that would work. Why do we allow reasoning that CC has this special seemingly protected and elevated status that makes it okay for them, but not other Christian aligned businesses? We are above board in everything that we do., After reading a transcript of that webinar, Pastor Brown responded: This is blatantly false. The directors reported that they worked on CC programs for approximately 20 hours per week and made an average of $2,811 annual profit. (The percentage CC received varied due to discounts given families with multiple children enrolled.). Encouraging parents to develop the confidence to lead Christs natural classroom: the family. It would be entirely appropriate for Classical Conversations Inc. to disclose the statements that tax assessors in North Carolina and in California (both linked above) have made regarding the specific issue of faith-based homeschooling groups using tax-exempt church spaces. After corporate peddled ADF membership to churches to help which was completely ineffective because ADF clearly states on their website they dont help with property tax issues they belatedly posted the page you reference. Communities are limited to the size they are, so if any director had a hard time keeping people it may not be the company that was the issue.7 years Ive have a maxed out community100% full with a wait list and 2 other communities in the same town as me which I constantly referred other families to join. He clarified his remarks, stating CCs corporate office covered charges assessed on the churches. They acknowledge the issues that are there and do not simply blow them off. Furthermore, while Foundations/Essentials keeps the entire family on the same page, Challenge splinters the family in too many directions. My work and assumptions are detailed below. Classical Conversations, Inc., has always complied with all IRS tax laws and was audited in 2019 for the 2018 tax year, in which we were found to be above reproach. Veale attempted to intervene, going above the support representative to the AR for Arizona who had taken over her position. Submitting first our own bodies, minds, and spirits to the work of Christ as we join the great classical conversations of history. Its the community. Is there any reason why Bortins statement that Some moms . Thats insulting and ignorant. After a couple of years I put a stop to all that. All rights reserved. I am not standing here saying I am exclusively right and my thoughts are the only thoughts. $39.99 + $4.99 shipping . Ive made enough money to cover my kids tuition but thats about it and thats what I expected when I signed up. As a longtime homeschooler, you can find 350 Classically-centered curricula on the market. The steady support, motivation to learn perpetually, and sweet fellowship is vital to me personally and to my family. CC meets a need for so many who are just getting started or need some structure. Similarly, California statewide tax assessor Margie Wing stated that whether CCs religious-based instruction aligns with a churchs mission does not guide her boards evaluation. Some legal responsibilities directors must assume include doing background checks, managing tutors, making payroll, securing daycare licensing, and entering into a lease agreement with a church (or other venue). 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Insiders such as CPA Topp, who have followed CC for years, worry that dozens, or even hundreds, of other churches may be at risk but dont realize it. The Roys Report also reached out to ADF to request an interview about their involvement with CC and partner churches, but ADFs media relations contact said the legal group has no comment at this time. And history continually reminds us that this is a recipe for disaster. Domestic members, please click the link below to access your CC Connected account! (Topp has since rewritten this ebook, which is available at her website.). I read a blog posted here last week [https://www.stealingfaith.com/2019/07/01/riding-fences/ ] and I completely agree with her sentiment that most of us do not realize the millions being made in our communities because we see nothing close to it. Still it made me sad. Where the you and the Roys Report seem like youve simplified things, all you have really done is eroded my trust in CC by fooling me into thinking the situation isnt complex and that everyone understands our tax laws because they arent draconian after all. As Proverbs 15:22 states, Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed. I believe it is disingenuous to represent ourselves otherwise. She was bored with the content offered by the curriculum! It goes much deeper than this, but grateful for the article! Dispute: "Did God really say?" Deny: He didn't really say that. We Have Answers. Like anything man creates, there is brokenness. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Despite these documented cases, CC has denied that churches hosting their local communities have been assessed property taxes. There will be consequences to their choices. He did not. If corporate is making millionsgood for them. We are not a legal or accounting firm, therefore we do not give legal or accounting advice. Friday, 20 September, 2013 in Big Ideas: Truth, Beauty, Goodness and more! Our mission is to know God and to make Him known. (I pay for CC because I did free co ops for years. I find most people who write articles like this, are very skilled at being hyper-critical, but very poor at being gracious. When Ive come into conflict with CC leadership, heres the bottom line: fire me and find someone else, or deal with my decision. Their own wisdom. The real truth is that monogamous, loving, homosexual relationships are pleasing to God. https://cchomeoffice.com/business-practice-faq/, Tax laws like these are almost always in as state of contest and geographic complexity After reading the article it seems that this tax situation is muddy enough to say that your claims of misrepresentation could also simply be an uncharitable way of denying the responsibility of Churches to understand the situation of a third party using their space *or* not taking into consideration the ways laws like these seem to be under contest (was it the failure of the CC chapter to know and make known their situation in particular, or Browns failure to do a quick google search? If a child in California or New Jersey struggles with gender confusion issues, the government now says it is illegal for a professional counselor to attempt to restore peace in that childs soul. And when they leave sometimes they are slandered and their children lose their friends. Her work at home deviated pretty far from doing just CC. I no longer woke up from the middle of the night in a panic that I was missing something or doing something wrong. There is no concern expressed that a third party might have been harmed. My director and fellow parents are tutors are more than colleagues; theyre friends. Most of these directors and similar are the suckers in the middle. She took in thousands of dollars in registration and tuition fees from parentsa hefty percentage going to CC corporatebut her income was nearly nothing. . We have a mandate from the Lord to educate our kids, and every act of obedience is an act of worship.. They express zero empathy for anyone other than themselves and their immediate friends and family. Foundations and essentials arent wasted time, its building strong blocks of memory to serve later. Our Christ-centered homeschool curriculum is rooted in the classical model and is in tune with the way children naturally learn. I would think not. 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