I know many folks like me at Mclean. I actually did. I understand what youre saying, but there are few legal resources for church conflict. @ Hope: Just where can you find all these multitalented people who are biblical scholars who can do all their own research, have a commanding ability at teaching, are people persons who are adept at counseling and hand holding and socializing (three different things there) and who will work 80 hours a week for minimum pay and who refuse to delegate but do it all themselves? He didnt know our names in a 4000 member church. David Platt unfortunately comes across as manipulating and disingenuous. I hear some of you saying that you want a personal interaction with a pastor. They said its a new testament model so it is. If youre a religious figure, you can designate some portion of your income (up to a certain point, please consult with your tax advisor) as compensation for housing. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?, @ Chris: I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. But who else is going to feature that boring hallway that nobody ever uses? The same is true of the underground church today, especially in China. As a variation on the theme, ISTM that they want to be honoured as gurus without growing into functioning role-models. C. J. Mahaney was a promoter of toxic Calvinism for years and look what happen to those who were fed a steady diet of it at his SGM churches. Out of that tent of meeting comes the grateful and loving response of worship and service. PHD student. Isnt all scripture is inspired by God ad profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness in order to do good works (2 Tim 3:17-8)? Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. The reason we should learn names is twofold. Could you comment on that? But the body is more than church life, and the Academy is supposed to serve the Church. Its possible this man simply feigned interest in my mother hoping she would tell him that she would leave some $$$ to the church. I dont know much about them beyond that once TAG disbanded I lost contact but a friend of mine did attend CJs church and said he was a Calvinist. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. We are blessed in this country and some others, where we can have buildings and assemble publicly. Didnt know why that put Okrapods named instead of TEDSgrad. hows your son doing, bridget? Bridget, Ever wonder (Wonder Bread) why the lame and the blind are mentioned so often together in scripture? We should consider what ought to be on the table in the tabernacle. Local believers who had plenty sharing personally with other local believers who had need? Who wants a job where you give everything, then the mob can take a vote as to whether you keep your job or not! I have heard nothing new from a pulpit in many years. Sadly yes the FIEC has become the beachhead for T4G/TGC and the 9Marxist groups. In many of them, and also non-denoms, they are both shallow AND long. Never did. Despite endlessly checking the classpath variable in bash_profile, and umpteen different variations thereon, I couldnt get a test file to run (it took long enough to get it to compile). Free Ride: Please, No Explanations Inside The MBC Church. The Holy Spirits indwelling Presence IS our witness. We called a man (we were SBC)to preach. David Platt states that he spends 20-25 hours preparing for one sermon. Incidentally, they didnt go there to preach the gospel as such. When he was three my son once told a woman in the checkout line that I once threw him like a football. And on top of that, we do not get paid for taking care of my mother with dementia and her other health problems, my grandbaby with special and high time consuming needs, or trying to battle against the babys father who pretended to be a Christian and now has threatened to kill my daughter and take the baby to Fiji where his family lives and his father is a pastor of a church there. With the IMB and the NAMB and 9Marks and ERLC there, it sure looks like there will be political consolidation in D.C. of what used to be known as the SBC. I think youve summed it up pretty well. @ AnonInNC: the placid, smiley response is the wrong one. It is the body of Christ. Only You, Jesus can show this blind man who looks!, Have Calvinism, Will Stealthy Creep, Perhaps?. They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. I hear some of you saying that you want a personal interaction with a pastor. Voice disorder. Anyway, I love that, and I love Ed's voice! Yes but the issue of him and Calvin being promoters of Valentinian Gnosticism was put to bed a long time ago. In many of them, and also non-denoms, they are both shallow AND long. Is Lons final act his final rock drop by event'(tm) to take MBC, its 25,000 people and the whole of the Washington D. C. area for a dark closeted stealthy ride into Calvinisms Dystopian fake gospel? Check it out on our blog as well as http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com. I learned recently that these titles are very important in that world. He has spent some of those weeks off preaching at Advance conferences. Smyth started preaching at CLC on January 8, 2017. Nor do they ever get any deeper. I wonder when. Dont get me wrongI believe the Bible clearly gives the church a fair amount of temporal authority and does enjoin us to provide for folks temporal needs, be they material or emotional or whatever. For whatever reason they didnt feel comfortable mixing with the common folk. Spy Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. On August 27, 2014, Platt spoke with Baptist media representatives in a telephone press conference: Brandon Pickett of Virginia asked Platt about taking full-time role as the president of the IMB and transitioning out as a pastor., Im going to preach at Brook Hills for the next three Sundays.after I finish preaching at Brook Hills.my full energies will shift to full-on IMB.Sept. Yes marketing is creating more customers, and increased investment in distribution helps to deliver the product and access to more markets; but a shifting of resource allocation and cost-cutting measures are needed. My church now has quite short sermons, with liturgy. Please let me know so that I dont continue to trigger you or others. So what? The legal profession just balks. He had an 8 week hiatus in July and August, nice work if you can get it. It is ended, neither by might of appeal (marketing) nor power of delivery systems, but by My Spirit, says the LORD. This should not be confused with ministry. Who God is, and what He has done in Christ on our behalf takes precedence. Of course, mission should be a function of a healthy church. Some churches in my area have a Farmers Market on weekends in their parking lot. But the key is it gives that to the church, not to some supposed superChristian known as the pastor whom we pay to be the shaman and do OUR jobs. At that time, there did not seem to be any attempt to become a mega-church. I look forward to further comments if you are so inclined, Seulement vous, Jsus peut montrer cette vision de lhomme aveugle! (1)), Spy He was preaching at this annual thing called The Northern Mens Convention in Manchester although I dont know what the subject was. They just say they do. It is not a place for mature Christians to sit in the back and ask 1 man what can you do for me?. (2) The born-again experience: i.e. Why do we continue attending fellowships that such a person presides over and wonder why things go wrong? The pastor at a church we attend is going to get a three month sabbatical in Jan. As a Christian of many years, Christ feeds me in many ways, in many places. One time my former FIEC church had Don Carson come to preach and my friends were so excited by it. In recent years we have made great strides in add ministry; that is, administration. More than anything, I want a church thats actually about God. Why are we so stupid? God designed us for community. I get what youre saying, but people in regular jobs can be run out by one person who doesnt like them. From 2014 to 2017, Platt was president of the International Mission Board. Evidently the title lead pastor gives them street cred for moving up in the movement. to be more specific, they said that their insurer advised them that if they were to let anyone use their facility other than another non-profit, it could jeopardize their tax-exempt status. Wasnt there some problem or other with Elis sons, taking the best parts of the sacrifices for themselves? It is the body of Christ -Rachelle. Is there anyone who has a word from the LORD? unable to endure sound doctrine of bitter, the roughage of whole bran, the artisan heavy-bread with its uneven texture and low-glycemic index but a lasting satiety which sustains the hungry soul! When I went to the CBE conference in Florida recently, we had communion and the person serving me communion said Julie Anne, this is the Body of Christ. Now, of course, it wasnt as special as Bills because this woman didnt know me except from the weekend, but I noticed how personal it felt. ishy wrote: And while Im at it, Ive been on enough church building projects to know that buildings and public meetings arent necessarily blessings. However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. Its like a code for the party apparatus. He thought it might help me to understand what good seminaries teach about being a pastor. We have a property tax exemption for people over a certain age for that reason, and it isnt allowed to be increased more than 5% a year. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. He looks nothing like David Platt. Its the most important part of the Baptist church, in the eyes of many. I see benefit to this in those cases. If left to ourselves, well always eat the same food. He would make a great traveling speaker, which is what he was before he came to Brook Hills. The teaching became ever more shallow, the focus shifted from sound teaching to pop-culture issues and my husband and I believe thats what set it up to bring Platt in. Preaching is fun. Apparently David Platt did his crying routine and booked (see comment below by Fred Butler) It is extremely troubling to me that after carefully crafting a I wanted to remain in that role. The emphasis was on have to have not whether the person in the pulpit was a man or a woman. (And to be accurate, he preached only 20 of 25 weeks in his first 6 months on the job, so he has effectively had 3 months off in his first 8 months of his job.). He said "Bill, this is Christ's body, broken for you." And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? I also think its something all Christians should aspire toward, though I do believe all Christians are equal priests in a priesthood lead by Jesus. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. * But that is in keeping with his I sacrifice and live in the bad part of town for the gospel even though I travel all the time and so only my family really has to endure living there from day to day.. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. More customers flock in/buy in to the marketing strategy and feel that the product enhances their life its even enriched and fortified. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. It is the body of Christ. We should do so, so the table is still valid, but so is the pulpit if governments/culture allows. There is something missing here. I wrote about it in the post. I believe Jesus summed this up best when he followed up the first greatest commandment with the second, to love your neighbor as yourself. Theres very little Scripture in sermons. I promote the Salvation Army over the SBC. And it did help him escape that radical existence he taught. Experts warn David and Victoria Beckhams little girl may end up with speech or dental issues if she continues to use on, wrote Jemma Buckley in an article for The Daily Mail. WebWe dont have lots of information about members of the JP family except for the fact that his father is a driver. Their doctrines are like leaven and Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees. In kind renumeration is not a salary as you mention. But they brought back many well-researched case studies of people who were. We have all heard the idea that Moses had a speech impediment, since he tells God that he is chevad peh and chevad lashon (Ex. ___ Uniformity of the product and driving down of the raw cost of goods is next on the agenda. Preparation time can't look the same for that, but only having to preach one text a week gives me the liberty and the opportunity to spend between 20 and 25 hourssometimes less, sometimes morein the text during the week. And, sometimes, you get the pleasure of seeing their petty responses to someone that they have no other way of harming. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. Some people got fed up with the church service and would come to the class and not attend church. With one exception: If I was a pastor, I can understand taking 20-25 hours for study and sermon preparation. All the best! Sadly, nothing. He paid it lip service in the introduction, but did not believe it as a sign of health. Agreed, especially when the pastor who is taking money from the church would claim to be more important than those putting the money in. Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? I can see how this could be the cast for new converts, in the same way that newborns depend on the pre-digested proteins of milk. ___ Viewing David Platts past online sermon videos smack of the same toxic religious syndrome in store for MBC members as well. This concern was raised when Platt took the position at the mission board. Best to believe and follow Jesus, rather than in any man. I wholeheartedly agree with this: Folks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothing different than a podcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. I find it interesting that Paul never did this, at least in his letters. Flash forward about 20 years. Nonprofits are one of my fields of research. It is very sad. Without a revelation of Who God is, the people will run wild, unrestrained. As others have already stated here, he is exhausting to listen to, and we feel very beat up after his sermons. I still want to know the story of the 1,000 SBC missionaries that were called home. They seem to have united around pragmatic Authoritarianism and Complementarianism. Im all over the continuum insofar as views go. And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. Those words are astonishing to anyone whos been around the SBC for years. I will be very interested to see how long this lasts. think of how useful the church facility could be to the community instead of sitting closed up 96% of the week. Not only, but Sunday morning worship service public proclamation is the churchs most visible act. But what exactly do these terms mean? Suffice to say, God desires a cleaned-up people group, where He can dwell in their midst. I am a member of MBCbut now a former member as of today. Webdoes david platt have a speech impediment. Yeah, my husband and I are not fans of this recent development. Remaining dependent on that sermon as your primary source of scriptural input seems odd too. His church, brookhills, (or whatever the name) was not even involved in the Cooperative program when he was appointed. Its very much a privilege of churches that can insulate the preacher from the congregation. His rise to national prominence has inspired many people with speech impediments. Personally, this is sad because we have a long-ago connection to McLean Bible. He wont sacrifice financially. I am sure expenses will be reimbursed. He said Bill, this is Christs body, broken for you. I have NEVER had anyone do that in communion before. This discussion so far has focused on ministry unto the flock, but Leviticus is full of ministry unto the LORD. I wrote the following a few years ago: No thing compares to knowing Him. Guest speaker or consultant perhaps, but not a pastor. __. Another reason the SBC is a joke. For those across the pond, ConAggerback is word play on ConAgra and Saddleback Church, and General Willow Mills is play on General Mills and Willow Creek. Translation: I want the congregation to pay me (out of their hard earned money) to read John Piper and Gospel Glitterati books all day and fob off the real work to someone else. Also surprised MBC would go for this. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. But if somebody puts out substance I will sit on the pew and put money in the plate and forgive an awful lot to get it. feeling tension over what is duplicitous, deceitful, self-promoting under the cover of God is a healthy response. I dont believe providing free spaces to commercial growers and businesses should be considered a community service. MBC has a full-time administrative pastor and staff, and it seems that they are happy with Platt bringing the star power. I remember a quote from Rick Warrens The Purpose-Driven Church in which he describes how often he hears pulpit professionals tell him, I just love to preach! Platt has always been a figurehead at the IMB, in my opinion. Please keep up the good study. so, having a pastor think for me is very easy.. For what its worth, I preach somewhere around 10 Sundays a year doing pulpit supply around my area. I dont view Christians (during the week) as scattered. solution pollution Posts: 49. He is now our teaching pastor and I am thrilled God brought him to. So when I see that Platt is not being paid a salary, I question that, unless hes already covered in this area by his IMB salary and perks. Nor do they ever get any deeper. Throws a different light on things. 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